I came across this website and forum today and I think it's very informative and helps people who have had bad puppy farm experience's.
Some of the content may upset so please be aware of this before you have a look around. Worthy cause though

Puppy farms forum

Sam

Last week I expect many of you will be aware the RSPCA reported on the number puppies being bred and the problems caused by indiscriminate breeding. Of course this is a deplorable situation and one that anyone who truly cares about dogs should do their best to bring to an end. There is a large concern that in certain circumstances could make a big difference but fail to do so........ I wish this had been mentioned at some point in the televised reports, I wonder why it wasn't.

It just makes you feel sick to think about the exploitation of these poor animals, but whilst there are still people who think they can save themselves a few pounds by buying pups from unscrupulous breeders then they will continue to disregard the life of the parent animals, They will continue to breed less than healthy puppies and people will continue to have problems with the health and temprement of the puppies that they buy. very sad

My Westie was one of 200 dogs rescued from a puppy farm in Wales about 8 1/2 years ago. She had been used as a breeding bitch - from her first season. She is a petite example of the breed, the sire was not. Daisy nearly lost her life to septicaemia as she could not birth such large puppies and she was left to her own devices without veterinary help. Daisy's dam and sire were champs from very good lines, unless all the papers got mixed up and hers belonged to another poor bitch - so how did Daisy end up at the farm? too small to show? too small to breed? We shall never know.

I was not surprised, therefore, to see this BBC report about 3 years ago http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4133278.stm Different farm - same old story. But I was appalled to read this, towards the bottom of the article

There isn't much more one can say, is there?

I read of a case where a puppy farm was taken to court. The dogs and puppies were kept in horrendous conditions. The owners were not brought to court for the neglect, but for fraud!!!

A boxer had the same pedigree as a dog of another breed, so the fraud case was brought.

What kind of world do we live in when the suffering of animals to make money for these people, is less important than the lie on a piece of paper.

I was scared my Molly was a result to puppy farmimg.
MY FRIEND CAME WITH ME TO CHECK THINGS OUT.
My molly is healthy and a happy puppy and is so good .

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What kind of world do we live in when the suffering of animals to make money for these people, is less important than the lie on a piece of paper.
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A pretty disgusting one if this report is anything to go by makes my blood boil.

Still seem to have messed up the quote button what a maltezer I am

Still seem to have messed up the quote button what a maltezer I am
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Well you did get a quote in your last post...

After you hit the " quote button"... place your cursor in front of the text "you don't want to include", drag and highlight, hit delete to get rid of that part. You should then be left with the part you want to quote.

Make sure you move your cursor down and click, this will be the start of what and where you would type.

It's hard to type directions, maybe I didn't explain it right lol.

Just keep trying, I'm sure people won't mind.
Lynn x

It is hard to understand in this day and age why this sort of breeding is allowed to go unchecked.
These breeders must and should be brought to hand over the way these puppies are born and the conditions that they and there parents live in.

I often wonder how these people treat there own children if they treat innocent animals like this for pure profit to which most is nothing but greed, no animal should have to suffer the way these poor dogs do. Often these dogs are damaged for life and many end up in rescues, these breeders dont care who suffers for there gain.

Maybe the goverment should bring into force that all dogs and puppies must be registered and cannot be sold without registration papers, also all puppies must be microchipped and vet checked before sale. Surely the goverment must see the vast sums of money these puppy farmers are raking in tax free.

Maybe when they do realise how much is being made and how much tax is being lost then they might act, and a true picture can be drawn of what really goes on sooner, and it might just help some of the dogs sooner rather than later.

Maggie

Unfortunately, puppy farming in itself, is not illegal. The cruelty involved in puppy farming has to be investigated, proven and brought to court, (rarely) by the RSPCA. When, on the rare occasion this happens, the people seem to get a small fine, and sometimes, banned from owing another dog. The fine can equate to the price of a puppy or two, and they set up again without much in the way of checking up on them. Even if they are investigated again, someone else will have their name on the premises, so hey... easy money... Too easy!

Liz

You're quite right, my guess is that it is easier to prove fraud in court than it is neglect.

That's what we get when we let accountants run the world

It seems a lot of farms are in Wales. I feel like taking a trip to Wales, seek out all the puppy farms, and rescue those poor things.

My ambition is to have enough money to stop working, buy a place in the middle of nowhere, and rescue animals. The way things are going, I don't think that's ever gonna happen unless I win on the lottery.
But yeah, that's my plan.

unfortunatly we also have those kind of breeders in holland. We call them BreadBreeders. Breeding to earn money. But i think that in Holland this is only stopped when people stop trying to buy a dog as cheap as possible, becouse that keeps the bad breeders breeding dogs. very Very sad.

My friend lives in France and the same is happening there, where breeders are breeding for money and are churning out puppies at very cheap prices.
It does seem sad that these breeders dont go out and get a proper job to support themselves without having to breed vast amounts of puppies sometimes in terrible conditions so that they can live the lifestyle they require without earning it in the correct manner.

Sadly people are buying these puppies instead of going to good breeders who care and look after there puppies, maybe one day the European Goverment may decide enough is enough and do something about it which hopefully will mean all countries in the EU will have to act and put a stop to puppy farming.

Maggie

Um... wouldn't hold your breath. We fail to uphold the dog laws we DO have!!!

Educating people to the difference between a puppy raised in a puppy farm, and a puppy raised in the correct, loving manner, i feel is the best way forward. Unfortunately, who would take on this mammoth task?? Who would PAY for this?? WHO WOULD POLICE IT???? Money talks... or not, if you don't have it!!

If somebody wants a dog, they see an advert for a one they can afford, so go for it. Once again it's down to money.
As for these puppy farmers not getting a proper job... well this is EASY money, so why should they? After all IT IS NOT ILLEGAL!!

I used to live across the water and was a lot more involved with showing/breeding then than I am now. Whilst I was there a considerable number of exhibitors, and myself, decided to do something to combat puppy farming and to improve the welfare of dogs by education etc. We got as far as forming a committee then there was a squabble over the name of the organisation....... then the President decided she was going to step down 'because there were too many english people involved and it makes us look bad!'. (this is the sort of nonsense we were up against!) So we had to give up due to pettiness in the ranks, which was a shame as a few of us felt there was a very strong need for a voice for the decent breeder and for the dogs themselves.

I'm not going to spoil everyones day by describing some of the things we found by visiting various establishments but I should like to make a few points....... The most relevent one being that if these puppies are imported to our country and are, supposedly, registered don't you think that OUR kennel Club should take on some of the responsibility for the numbers of litters registered from the same addresses abroad??? It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes' granny to work out what's going on when loads of litters are sent over from the same establishments time and time again. Of course, it's hard to do much about those pups ferried over that are unregistered but I know (due to a conversation I had with one of these so called breeders) that, registered or not they are sent over, in some cases, as early as 5 weeks old 'so they still look cute and easily get sold by the time they reach where they are sent to'.

Another problem with dealing with puppy farms is how do you define one????..... there are some perfectly clinically clean establishments that dish out pups by the dozen etc so how do you say who is doing the right thing and who isn't??? I've had conversations/discussions/blatent rows about this point for years!

It's all down to education........ For the breeders(who just won't take heed and learn) and the potential buyers ( ditto, it seems).

Not much has changed. It is surprisingly difficult to get things done.



This is the nub of it, you hit the nail on the head.
The problem is that you can't get agreement. Some will tell you that anyone who has over 4 litters a year is breeding too much. Others say you should study a breed for x number of years before you breed it. Others feel it is immoral to profit from dog breeding.

About the only thing that everyone agrees on is that squalid conditions and poor care are unacceptable. Breeding large numbers is not illegal. Lack of care is illegal but we still don't seem able to do anything about it

I agree totally, Adam, with everything you say. The ones who 'cop for it' are the small hobbyists, like me, who have a genuine interest in certain breeds and want to learn about them and work for the future of that breeds progress. It's hard to stay positive with all the 'rules' (which don't affect bigtime puppy farmers as any Licences etc can be paid for by yet another litter) that are supposed to curtail exploitation..... at the moment I have 2 entire bitches and 2 (or is it 1??) more would force me to have to get a breeders licence. I don't want to be known as a breeder.... I just want to show what I have and continue the line with the occasional litter..... this is what happens when the govt step in and mess with things they have absolutely no clue about whatsoever





(NOW I'M IN A BAD MOOD....... THINK I'LL GO AND SHOUT A BIT AND BURN THE OTHER HALF'S DINNER IN TEMPER.... GRRRRR)

(... OK SO I WON'T BURN HIS DINNER BUT I MIGHT PUNCH HIS SANDWICHES IF HE DOESN'T LET ME WATCH WHAT I WANT ON TV TONIGHT!!)

I know this is a really serious subject and I don't mean to make light of it but I have missed your sense of humour.
Where have you been lurking this last few weeks/

you're so right... it is a serious subject.

I'll tell you when you log into the b chatroom lol!

Then there are also those that put their dogs into other family members names or put dogs out on breeding terms which makes them look a little more respectable.

john

i agree........ just goes to show there's a difference between those that know they are doing wrong and those that keep their dogs in dustbins and don't think there's anything wrong with it.... cos they are just dogs.

Believe me, this happens.

I think that peoples opinions to puppy farming differ and always will. to what each person calls a puppy farm and to the condition to what puppies are kept in as well as there parents.

Alot of breeders dont register all th e litters so a true picture of what they really breed will never be known, to those that register vast litters under a breeders licence in good or bad conditions.

Again we will never be sure what is really being bred unless there is a law to say all puppies are registered which I think most are happy to do.

As to breeders who put there dogs out on breeding terms or into other relatives names, I must admit family members do have our dogs but mine are spayed or castrated so they wont be bred from, not even by me.

At least these dogs are part of a family and loved not out in kennels waiting to have there next litter, often 1 litter registered the other not, away of making money without most knowing what they really gain from breeding.
As I said I dont think we will all agree on everything but I think we can agree that there should be in place laws that protect the dogs from what is happening to them.
Yes it will cost money but those that are having vast numbers of puppies if these dogs were all registered and taxed then this money could go to helping the dogs.

Maggie

Hi sam, I had a look on this site and it just breaks your heart to hear those poor dogs stories, Ive joined up and told them I'll help them anyway l can to get these puppy farms closed down, both my girls are ex breeding girls but they've had nothing like those poor animals have suffered and it's still ongoing for loads, God love them